Oh Huffpo, you’ve Huffpo’d again…

So, the fearless David Fagin, who is simultaneously a Writer, musician, Trump Resister, food snob, is also the author of this little jem published at HuffingtonPost:

Becoming A Racist: The Unfortunate Side Effect Of Serving Your Country?
08/17/2017 12:18 pm ET Updated Aug 18, 2017

And so now that slobbering fucktard deserves a good fisking. Don’t get excited Dave, I wrote FISKING, not FISTING. In case you are like others on the left, fisking is when someone thoroughly and amusingly points out the deficiencies in your words and logic. This is actually rather easy for me, because the only logic I found came in fallacy form.

In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Vice News’ Elle Reeve mentions that security for the neo-Nazis was not provided by the Charlottesville police, as one might expect, but by veterans of the Iraq/Afghan war.

To hear that these veterans claim they were ‘radicalized’ in Iraq and Afghanistan during their tours of duty is one of the more unfortunate things to come to light regarding the side-effects of serving your country.

By now, we’re all familiar with PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and even with proper treatment, the debilitating state it can leave a returning soldier in, sometimes for the rest of their lives.

But to learn that these brave men and women over there return with a new-found hatred for those different from them, especially after their mission is one of liberation from those who kill and persecute anyone of different faiths/beliefs, is quite disturbing to say the least.

Look David, by now you are clearly not familiar with PTSD or you wouldn’t have made the classic Dunning-Kruger mistake of saying that we are all clearly familiar with PTSD. Is it the kind with anxiety? Or the kind with depression? Or the kind with anger issues? The self destructive kind? The mix of everything kind? No you simian fuckwit, “we” are not all familiar with PTSD.

Secondly, “to learn that these brave men and women over there return with a new-found hatred for those different from them…” is simply a logical fallacy called “begging the question.” You made your idiotic hypothesis that military service in a war zone makes you side with Nazis. Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, an oath to support and defend the Constitution, might include those parts you don’t like such as a Nazi’s right to free speech? I know, veterans still defending other Americans right to exercise their Constitutional rights seems like a radical and crazy idea, but just try it on for size. Maybe the phrase, “I hate everything you say, but will defend with my life your right to say it.” still actually means something to some people.

Thirdly, just where the fuck do you think Soldiers come from? For decades now they’ve been mostly white Southern boys in the Infantry with smatterings from other parts of “flyover country” mixed in. Them country boys don’t give a gnats ass what the hell some trump resisting food snob thinks, and more than a few are pissed about the campaign to tear down statues and start rewriting history. While others are fighting statue destroying ISIS in the middle east, others are fighting statue destroying extremists here.

But to think that even a small portion of them are returning from duty harboring feelings of such intense anger and disgust toward anyone who isn’t white, leads one to believe the military isn’t doing enough in the area of outreach, post-discharge. After all, not every soldier returns with a desire to protect and defend those with beliefs and convictions that stand in direct contrast to everything our military has fought against, and fights against as we speak. But, however small the percentage is, running security for white supremacists is quite a unique avenue regarding symptoms/display of PTSD, and these individuals obviously need help.

Most of us know someone, either a friend or relative, who’s returned home from the Middle East suffering from PTSD. And, tragically, most of us know someone who’s not been given the help and assistance they deserve from the country they’ve fought to defend.

Once again, this is a logical fallacy about the intent of people David first heard about on Anderson Cooper. This is pure fucking “mind reading” fallacy on David’s part, because unless he has some magical powers to look into the soul and motivation of people he has never even met, much less know any of their names, then he needs to shut the hell up and sit down.

Seriously, you don’t know and most of your friends don’t know anyone, friend or relative, who has served. Sure there are millions of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, and if you actually KNEW any of them you’d find that the ones passionate enough about either free speech or Nazi ideology are still a pretty distinct minority. And David, you never bothered to figure out if those armed veterans were armed for civil rights or for Nazi ideology, because you are a lazy sack of shit excuse for a human being.

The utter failure by our so-called Commander-in-Chief to condemn these hate groups has prompted the leaders of our armed forces to do the unthinkable, to step out of rank with the president and speak out against it, themselves. And, while their action is commendable, the military needs to focus their attention on treating this new type of expression of their trauma, as, although returning from battle steadfast in the “Us vs. Them” mentality is nothing new, taking a job as security guard for neo-nazis, is.

Except not. Had “AntiFa” not bothered to show up with their silly counter protest nothing bad would have happened, the President was very much in the correct saying that there was blame on both sides, the International Socialist Fascists and the National Fascists were both to blame.

There is only one side to this fence, and to think we’re not only welcoming home members of the armed forces whose opinions and beliefs have been shattered and damaged due to their perilous environment, but who find solace in a President willing to condone those twisted beliefs, rather than make it his mission to do everything he can to help them, makes one worry about where the next Charlottesville will be, and who, exactly, we’ll be fighting.

You know what Gell-Mann Amnesia is? It’s when a reader forgets that the author just discredited himself with an “us versus them” denouncement by immediately, in the very next paragraph, declaring there is only “one side to this fence” and tacitly admitting that he plans on fighting some other side…. It’s a level of absurdity and failure of self awareness that unfortunately passes for leadership on the Left these days.

Seriously David, don’t pick fights with veterans. That’s a penny’s worth of free advice that you really should take to heart.

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3 Responses to Oh Huffpo, you’ve Huffpo’d again…

  1. Dick Baker says:

    If I disagree with this Fart in a Gale of Wind about Beluga Caviar, I suppose I must be some radical
    Nazi . . . why is it ALWAYS Nazi, White Supremacist, neo-Confederate; but NEVER Chekist, never
    Bolshevik, never Khmer Rouge. Oh! I think I just answered my own question.

    The idea that we are ‘two separate and distinct peoples’ is becoming current, but it’s shy of the mark. We’re nine or ten different people and thanks to dicks like Fagin, more incompatible by the day. His ilk live and breathe in a different universe, and have zero inkling of Soldiers’ lives.

    Combat is a searing experience and the ultimate ‘melting pot’. You can’t hate the guys you’d die for, or who’d die for you. Squad level Infantry War is to be experienced and no pretentious fop
    food scribbler who has never ‘gone and done’ is entitled to opinionate on any of it, or them.

    A man’s relationship with his wife is a personal thing, private and quiet. So it is with the guys you
    shed blood with. Brothers. Brothers in a way no faggot scribe . . . sorry, Fagin scribe will fathom.

    And you’re right, you take an oath to ‘preserve, protect and defend’ even his silly drool.
    So what if .0001% of the guys come whom with views different than his; are they who bore the burden not entitled to their opinions? When I took my campus year, Brother Anthony scrawled
    on the board that first day, “History is what really happened, not what someone says happened.”
    The Left conveniently forget the proven horrors of their faith, the tens of millions of corpses that
    litter the Path to True Communism but they fantasize about adding the bones of my grandkids
    to their trophy wall.

    They forget . . . we have learned War, they have not.

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    • rthtgnbs says:

      In his 1992 novel “Snow Crash” Neal Stephenson wrote a paragraph about the “military ethnicity” that I found to be very accurate.

      “Their skins were different colors but they all belonged to the same ethnic group: Military. Black kids didn’t talk like black kids. Asian kids didn’t bust their asses to excel in school. White kids, by and large, didn’t have any problem getting along with the Black and Asian kids. And girls knew their place. They all had the same moms with the same generous buttocks in stretchy slacks and the same frosted-and-curling-ironed hairdos, and they were all basically sweet and endearing and conforming and, if they happened to be smart, they went out of their way to hide it.”

      In 2017 only the details have changed, the frosted hair and curling irons have faded out of popularity, the stretchy pants are now leggings and all the moms exercise trying to reduce the size of their generous buttocks gained honestly from the trials of motherhood, and it’s more ok for a woman to be smart and relatively independent. But the “military ethnicity” part? That still applies.

      The military is still the absolutely least racist part of American society in terms of people willingly working together regardless of ethnic background. Doesn’t mean it’s perfect, and doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement either. But it’s the only place where the reality of your individual worth and ability to contribute dictates your success or failure within the “patriarchal power structure” as Faggin’s ilk would like to put it. We’ve had Black and Asian leaders, from 4 star Generals (Powell, Shinseki) and black Sergeant Major of the Army (although there are plenty of Asian Sergeants Major, many of them take the Warrant Officer route). Leadership isn’t associated with skin color.

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  2. Dick Baker says:

    I’m unfamiliar with the book and author, but he nailed it. As a military brat, we were always ‘outsiders’ to the Townies, and so there evolved a multi-racial ‘Tribe’ separate from the civilian, with entirely different ethos. Because we associated with ‘them’ our social horizons outside the khaki world were limited. I don’t care where you were stationed, there was always a ‘them’. In California, Asians and Mexicans were dissed while Blacks were ignored. In New England, it was Blacks and ‘Dagos’; in Dixie, mostly Blacks. Since Quarters were desegregated on base, you lived where they told you to live. In the fifties, we had neighbors of every hue and shade, and
    it made no difference. Every family shared that quiet dread that Dad may never come back from this cruise. Carriers routinely lost 6% of their Air Group personnel during peacetime operations.
    My old man rode WWII submarines and in ’56, was stuck on the bottom off Okinawa for 96 hours due to some malfunction. The shaft packing leaked into the after torpedo room and partially flooded the space, but watch had to be kept in there anyway. Bankers’ kids had no idea of any of that. So Mr Stephenson, and yourself, have a pretty good theory.

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